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# 1Smokaz Mar 26 2008, 16:31 PM
Look at this shit. His planes are actually strafing my AA!


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# 2JgPz.Hetzer Mar 26 2008, 16:40 PM
Bad luck? I will watch the replay now but in 2v2 it´s common that planes get shoot far away from the PE´s base if you have LoS. Without LoS you´re fucked thou. Same goes for other AA stuff.

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# 3Smokaz Mar 26 2008, 17:20 PM
Yeah, but when the planes are actually ATTACKING a flakvierling and a flak88, shouldnt they at least have a chance at defending themselves?

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# 4Loony Mar 26 2008, 17:22 PM
no... cause the basedefence of a PE player could prevent a whole doctrine..

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# 5SpookyMonkey Mar 26 2008, 17:25 PM
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what he said.

If a simple basedefence is able to counter a whole doctrine, this game pretty much fails.

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# 6Hloden Mar 26 2008, 17:29 PM
QUOTE(Loony @ Mar 26 2008, 13:22 PM) *

no... cause the basedefence of a PE player could prevent a whole doctrine..


Umm, not really. The base defence doesn't cover the whole map, just one small portion of it.

Haven't watched the replay, but yeah, I don't think it should be a smart move to attack an AA unit with an airplane.

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# 73baseballer3 Mar 26 2008, 17:41 PM
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Umm, not really. The base defence doesn't cover the whole map, just one small portion of it.

Haven't watched the replay, but yeah, I don't think it should be a smart move to attack an AA unit with an airplane.

Actually those base defenses on some maps cover almost half of it.

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# 8Hloden Mar 26 2008, 17:53 PM
QUOTE(3baseballer3 @ Mar 26 2008, 13:41 PM) *

Actually those base defenses on some maps cover almost half of it.


Looking at Angoville, the smallest map I could think of:

<http://www.coh-stats.com/maps/mp/MapAngo.html>

The base defence MAYBE covers a third of the map, basically the base sector, and the edges of a few other sectors.

Even still, it doesn't eliminate Airborne in the slightest. You can still drop AA + Recoiless in your territory quite safely (and I've rarely seen anyone drop Airborne into the middle of a fight. Supply Drops still work fine, unless you were planning on dropping MGs and Mortars into their base.

I'm just not seeing the issue with making AA effective. I'm not talking about making the range huge.

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# 9Smokaz Mar 26 2008, 19:34 PM
Did anyone even watch the replay?

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# 10germansteel Mar 26 2008, 20:11 PM
I have had the airborne player send a recon plane over my base where i had 3 squads reinforcing and he sent a strafing run over my base killing all my mans. My base flaks didnt hit either the recon plane or the strafing plane.

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# 11Smokaz Mar 27 2008, 09:30 AM


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# 12skinnyhomer Mar 27 2008, 10:08 AM
Quick nerf the 88, it tried to target the plane!

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# 13Sle Mar 27 2008, 10:09 AM
That's pretty conclusive - the 88 seals it!

Anything to stop them using infantry, but two dedicated AA guns having no effect is silly.

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# 14WELCOME2AUSTRALIA88 Mar 27 2008, 10:13 AM
AA NEEDS TO LAY THE SMACKDOWN ON PLANES. SIMPLE AS THAT. IF YOU FLY A STRAFE OR ANYTHING IN RANGE OF A FLAK YOUR PLANE SHOULD = THE FUCKED ON.

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# 15DeliciousCrackers Mar 27 2008, 10:18 AM
Woah, that Flak 88 aiming was only five years too late! I see the Wehrmacht gunners are efficient as ever...

Anywho, AA in general is silly. Sometimes the guns will ignore planes, other times they'll try to shoot it down but their rotation is too slow, as evident in that video they'll sometimes just point at the plane and admire it as it rains down death and destruction, or they'll shoot the plane down and it lands on something of yours. Something expensive.

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# 16Yojimbo252 Mar 27 2008, 10:40 AM
idk.

the other companies / doctrines off map barrage isn't counterable. the delivery mechanism for each is pretty arbitrary and i think they just chose planes for airborne rather than artillery because it's more in keeping with the company theme.

i think AA should tear up airdropped paras and AT guns if they drop within range but countering SR and BR when other off map call ins can't be may cause an imbalance.

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